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Ken Freeland's avatar

Brilliant treatise...kudos!!

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

Honestly do you really think you can go to Utah and accuse the Mormon's of not being Christian? I mean you really should never visit Utah, unless you change your attitude. It would not be a safe place for you.

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Ken Freeland's avatar

Oh man, I missed the best line in this piece until I read it a second time: "The God who offers atheists something to disbelieve in." 🤣 As Cosmic one-liners go, this is a real zinger! Truly, divine providence knows no bounds. Actually, it may be exactly what Jesus was saying in his somewhat overlooked admonition "Be perfect even as your Heavenly Father is perfect, for He makes his sun to shine on the righteous and the unrighteous alike. "

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ron vrooman's avatar

Tit for Tat. There is already a nucleus of people that want the cooperation of government and have implemented ARTICLE I Section 1 on Oregon. We will turn the entire system to Correct and Honorable. In game theory this has already been played out. There are no exceptions once it has reached this point.

A proper oath, is to the proper de jure Constitution(s) with Laws of Nature and of Nature's God included, without exception this year 2024.

When it is or was just one of us. The de facto system picks us off and punishes, incarcerates or kills us. However when a social compact is formed the benefits of a cooperative culture are apparent and it grows. Take a look at the Gulag system of the USSR it followed “Game theory.” The selfish system failed after killing millions but it failed. The de facto Sheriff system in place on Oregon is cycling out and the de jure is cycling in the pendulum on this situation has changed. Similar changes have happened throughout the several states and territories. The de facto cannot exist without deception. It will cycle out one proper oath at a time.

Our Constitutional republican form of government was co-opted after 70 years. The negative, selfish “He who can be deceived let him.” system does not work when the deception is gone. The social compact of people on Oregon has already happened and our time has come. We know about misprision of felony and “they” know that we know. Therefore, Tit for Tat is the best strategy for the “non-evil.” It only gets better for them if they cooperate with the social compact. It only gets worse if they continue to defy the cooperative option.

If the person chooses to remain in the de facto then they support evil. When one denies the laws of nature and of Nature’s God one cannot exist in a social compact on Oregon.

The evidence shown by the social compact of ARTICLE I Section 1; the fraud of the perpetrators of the de facto starting in 1860 with deception is clear for all to see. More people see it every day; the fraud of ARTICLE VII (Amended) from November 8, 1910 is clear; more persons realize they are people; people respond differently than persons; body, mind, spirit, flesh, blood, soul when aware of the fraud becomes part of the social compact which is also known as our self organizing collective.

When you can see into the truth and through the deception you will eventually become part of the de jure. On Oregon that is the provisional government that will return Oregon to ARTICLE VII (Original). You must do it yourself, no one can do it for you, we cannot do it alone. Enough of us have discerned the Cool-Aid and will no longer participate in the evil. The rest will self correct or perish this year 2024.

It is incontrovertible evidence. We have proof the Sheriff knows an oath is false and does not repudiate it and take a proper oath! That is treason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScpHTIi-kM

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Stephanie S's avatar

I am a creationist,too. However, I believe in the young earth concept. Carbon dating has been proven to be false because of the apriori assumption that creation “evolved “. God can and did create plants, animals,. Etc. fully formed and developed in an infinite variety of examples. Man co-existed with dinosaurs. Even the depth of dust on the moon is consistent with a young earth theory.

I definitely am a creationist but not of an earth billions of years old and there is much evidence to prove that. I would recommend Ken Ham’s website for one.

Keep up the good work.

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

There is no real evidence to prove your "young earth" theory and there is plenty of evidence to disapprove your theory. This forum is not the place to make the arguement, there is just not enough space in this forum. However other forums are available to do so. I suggest that anyone who is reading this post search the evidence that is available on the internet and then choose for yourselves after you have reviewed all the evidence what is the correct theory. Search for yourself what is out there and make your decision based on the proponderence of the evidence that is available to you from said search.

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Stephanie S's avatar

It depends on your world view. Anything you research on the Internet is going to support your own world view. My supports a young earth. You can believe as you choose.

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

You can believe this, however science is not based on one's "world view", it is based on specific observations which according to a specific framework of rules allows you to assess whether or not something is valid or false. Scientific principals are recognized by scientists all over the world from many different cultures and nations. To say that you can believe anything you want because it is written in a book, is a statement of your belief but it does not mean that what is stated in a book written by people is true or false. God did not write the Bible, people did. There are many many different versions of the Bible, which one tells the truth, or the most truth???? Why is the Koran not the truth? Why are the principals set down by Sidharta (aka Buddah) not the truth??? Why are the Hindus not telling the truth? They certainly believe that their world view is the truth, who are you to say it is not??? Why are the Bolba people from Africa not telling the truth when they say the world is actually the "throw up" of the great God Bomba when he had a stomach ache because he ate something that upset his stomach??? I will believe in the specific rules of observation set forth in Science and recognized all over the world and you can believe in a book that was written by men just like the Koran and the manuscripts of Hinduism and Buddahism were written by men. Elena

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Stephanie S's avatar

And what did “science “ tell you about the covid jab? Riiight.

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Stephanie S's avatar

Your whole argument is based on the a prior assumption that the Bible was not written by God. It was. Faith comes by hearing and even faith is a gift of God which you clearly do not have. The Bible is not incompatible with God; in fact, everything that is written in the Bible , can be substantiated by science and much of it has. Carbon dating isn’t an exact science; there is plenty of evidence to support a young earth theory , the noahtic flood, etc. Sidhartha, Budha, Mohammed , etc. are dead. Jesus Christ is alive. God is, was and always shall be the only wise God. Your idol is science and that changes all the time. God does not. Please don’t respond with insulting remarks about my faith; it would only further discredit you, at least imo.

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

You can believe what you want, but I do not believe you nor do I have to. If JC is alive, he has not shown ME any evidence of that, but I am not commenting on whether or not he is alive. The Bible was not written all at once and in addition which Bible are you talking about? The OLD Testament was written way before the New Testament and way before Jesus was alive which is why the old Testament does not mention Jesus however it does mention a Messiah and some believe that Jesus is the Messiah. There are different versions of the Bible, there is the King James Version, the Gudion Version, the Living Bible, the Morman version, ect. ect. which one is correct??? I guess YOUR VERSION is correct and all the other versions of the Bible are wrong. Fine I am not going to say which version is correct I do not know and you have not convinced me of anything. But believe what you want to believe and I will believe what I want to believe.

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

The statement that "everything that is written in the bible, can be substantiated by science" is WRONG, FALSE. Somethings can be substaintiated and some things may be true whether or not there is proof of their truth. So What? The Bible is and will always be open to the interpretation of whoever reads it.

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