Again you make assumptions like "It had never rained on the earth", [before Noah] there is no proof of that. In fact I believe that there is nothing in the Bible (King James version or whatever authorized version you want to use) that states that it never rained before Noah but I will give you that maybe it never FLOODED before Noah but that does not in any way shape or from prove your assertion that it NEVER rained at all. People have to drink water to live, where did the water come from if it never rained???? This does not make sense to me. Just because there is no specific mention of rain in the Bible before Noah does not mean it never rained. There are a lot of things, in fact there are an infinate number of things that are NOT mentioned in the Bible. Just because something is NOT mentioned in the Bible does NOT mean it did NOT exist. Again you are using flawed negative arguments to prove a positive which does not make any logical sense. I suppose you can say that you also do not believe in the principals of logical thinking. That is actually a relevant and legitimate argument to make IN my opinion. Nevertheless, I believe in logical thinking, if you do not that is YOUR right and as I believe you said before "we have to agree to dissagree". I COULD argue why I believe I believe in logical thinking, but I am not going to do it on this forum, it would take too much of my time and I do not really care if you personally believe in logical thinking or not but as I said I do so that is why I am using logical thinking to form my opinions.
You are the one that brought up carbon dating and I asked you to prove your expertise, turning the argument around is not a way to argue. Just because Leviathan is mentioned in the Bible does not mean that it existed. The Bible is a book written by man. Not everything in the Bible can be proved to be true, and that does that mean that is is not true or that it is true . You have to look at other evidence than the Bible to make a judgement on what is true and what is not. Yes we can agree to disagree. However, what bothers me is when some people whoever they are try to push their beliefs on me. You are NOT doing this, I am not refering to you. This is a disscussion group and you are supposed to express your beliefs. However the people that believe that the Adam and Eve story should be taught in public schools are wrong. To be fair you would have to also teach about the great Boba who got a stomach ache and threw up the world. As long as religious doctrine is kept in a house of worship I have no problem with it. This is the United States and we allow people to worship as they choose, again just don't shove it down my throat or my children's throat.
Saying Dinosaurs did not coexist is the prevailing view of basically all of the experts who exist today on this issue. I would take the word of an actual scientist over your laymans words any time. However, if I am mistaken and you are a scientist that has a recognized degree in studying dinasours please let me know. By recognized I mean you need to show me some backing for your expertise on dinasours that are acceptable to the scientific community. Just becuase Carbon dating can not be relied upon (assuming that is true) you have no proof whatsoever that dinasours existed at the same time as humans. By the way there is no mention whatsoever of dinasours in the recognized versions of the Bible. Again you cannot prove a negative but if dinasours existed it seems to be they would have been mentioned. A Leviathan, assuming it even exists which is doubtful is NOT IN ANY WAY A DINASOUR. Also leviathan may for some people be a monstrous sea creature which is not a dinasour in any way, the more common use of the word is the "LAWGIVER", I believe that references in the ancient works of a Leviathan is the more common term "lawgiver" not some mythical monsterous sea creature.
Switzerland also gave us the best chocolate in the world!!! That itself is incredible. Apparently Orson Wells forgot about that when he was writing the script for the 3rd man.
I don’t adhere to the myth of evolution. Mankind and everything in it was created by God for His good pleasure. It is not surprising that our world has deteriorated in every way - Physically, Intellectually and spiritually because it has been in a constant state of entropy since the fall of man.
What about the dinasours who lived millions of years ago, before the first primate to eventually become human. And do not say the dinasours existed with Humans that is an idiot thing to say.
Evolution and belief in God are NOT in any way inconsistant beliefs. ON earth anyway God himself uses evolution to create the species on earth. If evolution is good enough for God it is good enough for me.
First of all, deciding that dinosaurs and man coexisting is “ an idiot” thing to say, shows your knowledge about God to be lacking.
You lack proof that they didn’t coexist (the Bible DOES make reference to Leviathan and other creatures) and you assume the earth is millions of years old. Eviolution is a THEORY not a fact and science actually continues to prove that the earth is young. Carbon dating only works based on the apriori assumption that the loss of carbon over time is consistent and that has not been proven. So before you start calling other people’s theories idiotic, you should address your own.
A Leviathan is NOT a Dinosaur. Leviathan has two meanings. The most common meaning is the Law Giver, the other is a giant lizard like sea creature, which probably never existed but even if it did, it is NOT a dinosaur in any way. The Adam and Eve story is a parable to make a moral point. Dinosaurs died out sixty million years ago, though reptiles and birds which share common traits of dinosaur exist currently. I am not an expert on carbon dating and you are probably not either, if you are proof your credentials in that area, I pretty sure you cannot do that.
Adam and Eve was not a parable and clearly you do not share the same world view that I do. The Bible is not just a Book written by some guy trying to explain creation and the fall of man. As I said, Carbonating demands the a priority assumption that carbon loss Has always been consistent. There is no proof of that. Leviathan is mentioned in the Bible and therefore existed at the same time as man.
And just because a creature looks similar to another creature does not mean that evolution is true. There is no evidence that evolution is true. Let’s just agree to disagree. You are not going to convince me of an old earth, and I am not going to convince you of the biblical account of creation.
The conformist also goes to church to confess their sins instead of the police or people they harmed. And you wear pajamas? Sleep in your underwear and a t-shirt like a real man. Most women get colder when they sleep, but most I know just sleep in their underwear. Unless you’re living in the arctic, pajamas are a scam. So are suits and dress clothing, if I had it my way I’d just wear a bathrobe, but I’ve got to hide my alcoholism.
That’s because the conformist does not know that they don’t need to go to church to confess their sins. First John 1:9 tells us that” if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us of all and unrighteousness. “ There is nothing in that verse that says you have to go to church to do it or to a priest.
Again you make assumptions like "It had never rained on the earth", [before Noah] there is no proof of that. In fact I believe that there is nothing in the Bible (King James version or whatever authorized version you want to use) that states that it never rained before Noah but I will give you that maybe it never FLOODED before Noah but that does not in any way shape or from prove your assertion that it NEVER rained at all. People have to drink water to live, where did the water come from if it never rained???? This does not make sense to me. Just because there is no specific mention of rain in the Bible before Noah does not mean it never rained. There are a lot of things, in fact there are an infinate number of things that are NOT mentioned in the Bible. Just because something is NOT mentioned in the Bible does NOT mean it did NOT exist. Again you are using flawed negative arguments to prove a positive which does not make any logical sense. I suppose you can say that you also do not believe in the principals of logical thinking. That is actually a relevant and legitimate argument to make IN my opinion. Nevertheless, I believe in logical thinking, if you do not that is YOUR right and as I believe you said before "we have to agree to dissagree". I COULD argue why I believe I believe in logical thinking, but I am not going to do it on this forum, it would take too much of my time and I do not really care if you personally believe in logical thinking or not but as I said I do so that is why I am using logical thinking to form my opinions.
Wow! I really like what I just said, whether or not you agree with me!!!
You are the one that brought up carbon dating and I asked you to prove your expertise, turning the argument around is not a way to argue. Just because Leviathan is mentioned in the Bible does not mean that it existed. The Bible is a book written by man. Not everything in the Bible can be proved to be true, and that does that mean that is is not true or that it is true . You have to look at other evidence than the Bible to make a judgement on what is true and what is not. Yes we can agree to disagree. However, what bothers me is when some people whoever they are try to push their beliefs on me. You are NOT doing this, I am not refering to you. This is a disscussion group and you are supposed to express your beliefs. However the people that believe that the Adam and Eve story should be taught in public schools are wrong. To be fair you would have to also teach about the great Boba who got a stomach ache and threw up the world. As long as religious doctrine is kept in a house of worship I have no problem with it. This is the United States and we allow people to worship as they choose, again just don't shove it down my throat or my children's throat.
Saying Dinosaurs did not coexist is the prevailing view of basically all of the experts who exist today on this issue. I would take the word of an actual scientist over your laymans words any time. However, if I am mistaken and you are a scientist that has a recognized degree in studying dinasours please let me know. By recognized I mean you need to show me some backing for your expertise on dinasours that are acceptable to the scientific community. Just becuase Carbon dating can not be relied upon (assuming that is true) you have no proof whatsoever that dinasours existed at the same time as humans. By the way there is no mention whatsoever of dinasours in the recognized versions of the Bible. Again you cannot prove a negative but if dinasours existed it seems to be they would have been mentioned. A Leviathan, assuming it even exists which is doubtful is NOT IN ANY WAY A DINASOUR. Also leviathan may for some people be a monstrous sea creature which is not a dinasour in any way, the more common use of the word is the "LAWGIVER", I believe that references in the ancient works of a Leviathan is the more common term "lawgiver" not some mythical monsterous sea creature.
Switzerland also gave us the best chocolate in the world!!! That itself is incredible. Apparently Orson Wells forgot about that when he was writing the script for the 3rd man.
I don’t adhere to the myth of evolution. Mankind and everything in it was created by God for His good pleasure. It is not surprising that our world has deteriorated in every way - Physically, Intellectually and spiritually because it has been in a constant state of entropy since the fall of man.
What about the dinasours who lived millions of years ago, before the first primate to eventually become human. And do not say the dinasours existed with Humans that is an idiot thing to say.
Evolution and belief in God are NOT in any way inconsistant beliefs. ON earth anyway God himself uses evolution to create the species on earth. If evolution is good enough for God it is good enough for me.
First of all, deciding that dinosaurs and man coexisting is “ an idiot” thing to say, shows your knowledge about God to be lacking.
You lack proof that they didn’t coexist (the Bible DOES make reference to Leviathan and other creatures) and you assume the earth is millions of years old. Eviolution is a THEORY not a fact and science actually continues to prove that the earth is young. Carbon dating only works based on the apriori assumption that the loss of carbon over time is consistent and that has not been proven. So before you start calling other people’s theories idiotic, you should address your own.
A Leviathan is NOT a Dinosaur. Leviathan has two meanings. The most common meaning is the Law Giver, the other is a giant lizard like sea creature, which probably never existed but even if it did, it is NOT a dinosaur in any way. The Adam and Eve story is a parable to make a moral point. Dinosaurs died out sixty million years ago, though reptiles and birds which share common traits of dinosaur exist currently. I am not an expert on carbon dating and you are probably not either, if you are proof your credentials in that area, I pretty sure you cannot do that.
prove your expertise in carbon dating or do not talk about that subject.
Prove your expertise in evolution or anything. You can’t do that. Your comments resound with ignorance.
Prove your expertise in carbon dating.
Adam and Eve was not a parable and clearly you do not share the same world view that I do. The Bible is not just a Book written by some guy trying to explain creation and the fall of man. As I said, Carbonating demands the a priority assumption that carbon loss Has always been consistent. There is no proof of that. Leviathan is mentioned in the Bible and therefore existed at the same time as man.
And just because a creature looks similar to another creature does not mean that evolution is true. There is no evidence that evolution is true. Let’s just agree to disagree. You are not going to convince me of an old earth, and I am not going to convince you of the biblical account of creation.
The conformist also goes to church to confess their sins instead of the police or people they harmed. And you wear pajamas? Sleep in your underwear and a t-shirt like a real man. Most women get colder when they sleep, but most I know just sleep in their underwear. Unless you’re living in the arctic, pajamas are a scam. So are suits and dress clothing, if I had it my way I’d just wear a bathrobe, but I’ve got to hide my alcoholism.
That’s because the conformist does not know that they don’t need to go to church to confess their sins. First John 1:9 tells us that” if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us of all and unrighteousness. “ There is nothing in that verse that says you have to go to church to do it or to a priest.